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Tire Question (Schwalbe Kojak)

Discussion in 'Recumbent Discussions' started by laidback cyclist, Oct 18, 2008.  |  Print Topic

  1. laidback cyclist

    laidback cyclist Supporter

    Region:
    NorthEast
    State/Country:
    OK
    City:
    Broken Arrow
    Ride:
    Ti Rush/V-Rex
    Name:
    Mike
    Does anybody have any experience with Schwalbe Kojak tires? If so, what are you're impressions?
     
  2. A.D.

    A.D. #1 Custodian

    Region:
    SouthEast
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Athens
    Ride:
    Reynolds T-Bone
    Name:
    AD
    Not offhand, but I did turn up this review/impression of them...

    Schwalbe Kojak Tires
    Click here to buy the Schwalbe Kojak tires

    Tire science has advanced over the years. Recumbent riders have typically not had the same choices of tires that road bikes have because of their smaller tire sizes. All of our trikes have 20" (406) rims, which keeps them low to the ground. Schwalbe has a great selection of tires specifically aimed at recumbents and most of those tires are available in the 406 size.

    The Kojak is one of Schwalbe's newest tires. It has their highest speed rating and is billed as a super-light and fast slick tire for the road.

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    The Kojak that we are interested in is a "folding tire" and weighs only 215g. The size is 20x1.35 so you may need to get new tubes with the tires. Don't run these tires with the wrong size tubes, otherwise you could get a pinched tube and have a flat.

    A great looking tire
    This tire is completely treadless. If you are looking for a new look for your trike this could be it. The Kojaks have the look of an old racing style balloon slick. Even the writing on the side of the tires have that old style.

    So are they fast?
    I say yes. I run Marathons as my normal, all-purpose tires. In preparation for a century I was looking for some tires that could give me a speed boost. With a few long rides under my belt with the Kojaks I feel pretty confident saying that I picked up about 2-3mph in speed over 20mph.

    Why ride a slick?
    From the Schwalbe site: "Even in wet conditions, on a normal, smooth road, a slick tire actually provides better grip than a tire with a tread, because the contact area is larger." I found this to be True. Where slicks tend to fail is on loose dirt or sand because there is no rubber to dig in. If your ride consists of loose gravel and/or dirt paths then the kojaks aren't for you. If you have nice paved roads then go for it.

    Durability
    Honestly, the durability and puncture resistance of the Kojaks are what worries me the most about leaving the Kojaks on my trike as my normal commute tires. Although the Kojaks have similar specs as the Marathon Racer tires, the Racers feel like they have a lot more rubber. The Kojaks are built with the Raceguard puncture protection belt. It is a protection belt made from india rubber and nylon fabric that protects well against penetration punctures and has only a minimal affect on weight and rolling resistance. Not as Thornproof as kevlar, but when running at full psi it works well. I haven't had a flat yet.

    Comfort
    These tires are designed to run at a full 95psi and feel rock hard when fully inflated. They are a rather skinny tire at only 1.35 wide. I do not recommend running these tires at a lower psi, since this could compromise their puncture resistance. Compared to the Marathon 20x1.5 tires they do ride a little rougher. If you are looking for a comfy commuting/touring tire I recommend going with the Marathon Plus, or Big Apples.

    The ULCER 2007 - a true road test
    I chose to use the Kojaks for my 111-mile ride in the ULCER century on 8/11/07. Although I had two flats, the faster speed of the Kojaks more than made up for any time lost. These tires are a winner. For more details on that ride click here.


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    Utah Trikes

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  3. laidback cyclist

    laidback cyclist Supporter

    Region:
    NorthEast
    State/Country:
    OK
    City:
    Broken Arrow
    Ride:
    Ti Rush/V-Rex
    Name:
    Mike
    A.D.,

    Thanks. Some of the technical info I had found on the Schwalbe web site. It was the puncture resistance and durability issues I was unsure of. I thought about just reducing the pressure in my Stelvios to see if it smoothed out the ride any since they are rated at 85-120 psi (I run them at 120). However they have the same type of raceguard protective belt that the Kojacks have and if running Kojacks lower than their max rating negatively affects puncture resistance the Stelvios may have the same problem.

    I guess I'm not really out anything by trying though since I already have Stelvios on the bike and a second new set in the garage for spares. If they flat or don't ride well on these rougher roads at a lower pressure then I can look at getting different tires.
     
  4. FeetFirstFella

    FeetFirstFella

    Region:
    SouthEast
    State/Country:
    TN
    City:
    Knoxville
    Ride:
    VRex, Corsa, V3
    Name:
    Don
    Hello Mike,

    Terry Wells put Schwalbe Kojaks on his Rocket he rebuilt, with Velocity wheels. I think he likes them real well, although he mostly rides smooth pavement. They're a nice looking and pretty fast tire, smooth (no) tread, and fairly lightweight if you get the folding model.

    BTW, I run Stelvios with Velocity Thracians on my V-Rex and frequently reduce the pressure to 80 psi or so when I'm going to ride the greenways around Knox, and they do fine. Provides a noticeably smoother ride.

    You better hold on to your Stelvio stock, Schwalbe says they're discontinuing them in 09, replacing them with another newer model. May or may not be better! I wouldn't mind myself getting another set and putting them on the shelf...

    Don
     
  5. laidback cyclist

    laidback cyclist Supporter

    Region:
    NorthEast
    State/Country:
    OK
    City:
    Broken Arrow
    Ride:
    Ti Rush/V-Rex
    Name:
    Mike
    Thanks Don. I do like the Stelvios. Add to that the fact that I'm always leery of new models until they have been out a couple of years and have a track record.

    Schwalbe does have a new Marathon model out called the Marathon Supreme. They are supposed to be faster, have better grip, and better protection than Stelvios but are not quite as durable. They also cost $70 each. Won't be trying any of them for awhile.

    If anyone is interested you can check them out at: http://www.schwalbetires.com/marathon_supreme
     

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